This week we welcome Mike Clelland to the show. We dive into the weirdness of Saranac Lake, NY, a town we both lived in, as well as the nature and meaning of synchronicities, the work of Mac Tonnies; we each dive into some personal stories, and search for the meaning of it all in this wonderful conversation.

Mike has a new novel coming out called The Unseen. He is also the author of The Messengers, Stories from the Messengers, and Hidden Experience.

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Rob Kristoffersen is an amateur UFO researcher from the Adirondacks of Northern New York. He is the host of the podcast, Our Strange Skies: UFOs Throughout History.