On episode 96, we briefly touched upon the story of the Sunderland family, who’d had a series of encounters with UFOs and aliens in a field near their home. The accounts of Gaynor and Darren Sunderland were very similar; they included strange flying saucers, wobbly walking aliens, and sci-fi ray guns.

Their story first made headlines in 1978 and soon after, investigators began to document continued contacts between these human-like beings, Gaynor and Darren. These contacts included trips to alien worlds, repelling sentient alien planets, and would expand to include “psychic questing,” or the act of using chaos magick in the search for historical artifacts and locations.

Sam and Sage from Your Brain on Weird join me to discuss slow moving ray guns, aliens that look like deranged Homer Simpsons, and the quest for the Green Stone!


“The Sunderland Family Encounter – Pt 1” by Jenny Randles & Paul Whetnall, Flying Saucer Review 1979 V 25 N 3

“The Sunderland Family Encounter – Pt 2” by Jenny Randles & Paul Whetnall, Flying Saucer Review 1979 V 25 N 4

“Alien Friends” by Jenny Randles UFO Brigantia V 8

Alien Contact by Jenny Randles & Paul Whetnall

“What Is Meonia? Its History and Role in Modern Psychic Questing” by Andrew Collins

“The Sad Death of Marion Sunderland and the Green Stone Sale – A Response from Andrew Collins

“Overlooked or Overcooked: The Case for Psychic Questing in Western Esotericism” by Simon Nugent

“The Depths of Credibility” by Jenny Randles BUFORA Bulletin July 1986 N 22

“What Price Credibility?” by Marion Sunderland BUFORA Bulletin January 1987 N 27

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Rob Kristoffersen is an amateur UFO researcher from the Adirondacks of Northern New York. He is the host of the podcast, Our Strange Skies: UFOs Throughout History.